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It looks like he “judged” after all!

Posted on 10 April 2015 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

The MSM took what the Pope said on the airplane (about a homosexual who is trying to live a holy life), that is, “Who am I to judge?” and ran with only half the story, giving the impression that Pope Francis approved of some way of homosexual acts.
Wrong.  HERE
This Pope is not a liberal when it comes to doctrine.  He doesn’t think that homosexual sex is okay.
I have been saying for a couple years now that when liberals figure that out, they will turn on Francis.
I read this today at the Telegraph:
Pope Francis ‘refuses’ gay French ambassador
Pope Francis’ reputation as liberal takes a knock over reports that he rejected the nomination of a new French ambassador to the Vatican on the grounds that he was a homosexual
Pope Francis has reportedly barred the nomination of a close aide of President Francois Hollande as new French ambassador to the Vatican because he is gay.
The apparent rejection calls into question the pope’s reputation as holding more liberal views on homosexuality.
Laurent Stefanini, 54, a senior diplomat and Mr Hollande’s chief of protocol, was nominated in early January but the Vatican has maintained a stony silence over whether it accepts his credentials, officials in Paris said.
The usual time frame for their acceptance is a month and a half. After that, a prolonged silence after a nomination is normally interpreted as a rejection.
The Elysee said that the choice of Mr Stefanini to represent France at the Vatican resulted from “a wish by the president and a cabinet decision” and that the president regarded him as “one of our best diplomats.”
French media widely reported that Mr Stefanini has been blackballed due to his homosexuality.
Le Journal du Dimanche quoted a Vatican insider as saying that the rejection was “a decision taken by the pope himself.”
Liberation, the left-leaning daily, said that “the Vatican’s homophobia seriously tarnishes Pope Francis’ image as being (slightly) more open-minded that his predecessors on sexuality“.
France in 2007 nominated a gay ambassador to the Vatican who had a partner recognised under French law but the Holy See never responded to the nomination, despite lengthy attempts to secure him the post.
[…]
Read the rest there.
So, now we must wait to see if writers over at the Fishwrap (aka National S_______ Reporter) denounce Pope Francis as a homophobe.
C’mon Fishwrap! You know you want to!
Hey!  Maybe Michael Sean Winters can find a way to blame Card. Burke!
Meanwhile, we here at Fr. Z’s Blog sing out…

V. Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Francisco.
V. Let us pray for Francis, our Pope.

R. Dominus conservet eum, et vivificet eum, et beatum faciat eum in terra, et non tradat eum in animam inimicorum eius. [Ps 40:3]
R. May the Lord preserve him, and give him life, and make him blessed upon the earth, and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies. [Ps 40:3]

Pater Noster, Ave Maria.
Our Father, Hail Mary.

Deus, omnium fidelium pastor et rector, famulum tuum Franciscum, quem pastorem Ecclesiae tuae praeesse voluisti, propitius respice: da ei, quaesumus, verbo et exemplo, quibus praeest, proficere: ut ad vitam, una cum grege sibi credito, perveniat sempiternam. Per Christum, Dominum nostrum. Amen.
O God, Shepherd and Ruler of all Thy faithful people, look mercifully upon Thy servant Francis, whom Thou hast chosen as shepherd to preside over Thy Church. Grant him, we beseech Thee, that by his word and example, he may edify those over whom he hath charge, so that together with the flock committed to him, may he attain everlasting life. Through Christ our Lord. Amen. 

It looks like he “judged” after all!

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26 Responses to It looks like he “judged” after all!

  • jacobi says:

    10 April 2015 at 2:42 PM

    We need to be more careful with terminology in this now rather important area.
    Being a homosexual of either sex is not wrong. Being actively homosexual, what is rather sadly referred to as being “Gay” something which few such people if any are, is judged by the Catholic Church to be “grave depravity”, “intrinsically disordered”, and “contrary to natural law”. Seems pretty clear to me.
    We must also beware of the insulting distorted language which will inevitably be used in any discussion.
    A new law rather along the lines of Godwins Law, is required which will highlight and calibrate terms such as homophobia and its opposite homofascist.

  • Benedict Joseph says:

    10 April 2015 at 2:46 PM

    Thank God for small favors. I’d like to see similar responses to a vast number of ecclesiastical nominations, appointments (Osorno), dismissals (Metuchen), utterances and a variety of other behaviors and positionings. The vast number of offensive events uncommented, permitted and imposed by since March 2013 don’t allow me to applaud as yet.
    Perhaps it was the fact the gentleman was French that sealed his fate.

  • Cody says:

    10 April 2015 at 3:25 PM

    “2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

  • ThankyouB16 says:

    10 April 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Alas.
    It indeed seems to be the fault of Cardinal Burke. The last line of the article says: “Observers say the Pope cannot be seen to be adopting an overly gay-friendly approach that would shock the Catholic church’s more conservative elements.”

  • DD says:

    10 April 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Perfect title for the post.

  • chantgirl says:

    10 April 2015 at 5:48 PM

    I will remember to pray for him. His papacy has already alienated many faithful Catholics, and if he alienates the dissident Catholics, he may not have much support at the end of the day. However, an irritated faithful Catholic will still pray for the Pope. He will be lucky to get that response from irritated dissidents.
    I wouldn’t want his job, and I wouldn’t want to have to answer for all that he is responsible for- I will pray for him.

  • Kathleen10 says:

    10 April 2015 at 5:58 PM

    The camel has come in, he has kicked back in the recliner, made himself a martini, and has ordered a movie from Netflix. It is going to take a bulldozer to get him out now, but, fire it up!

  • Supertradmum says:

    10 April 2015 at 6:11 PM

    One is not a homosexual, as both the AMA and the Australian medical authorities determined there is no gene for gayness. It is learned-nurture not nature. To identify with gayness is to deny that we are more than sexual tendency identifications. Last year, Catholic Bandita had a long series on this , on which I commented as well. Worth reading. All of us have tendencies to sin, all; this is concupiscence, but we do not have to identify, nor should we identify with sin. To fight tendencies to sin is the job of every one of us. We all have our crosses of sin. All. But, God can, in his grace, take away tendencies towards sin. This is noted in many of the Doctors of the Church and saints, as I quote on my perfection series. We can be, eventually, freed from sin, even venial sin, and the tendencies towards sin. When this happens, one goes into the Illuminative, then Unitive State and then really, really helps the Church. “Be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect,” is not wishful thinking on the part of Christ, but a reality. Saints find this on earth and then go to heaven. Most of us have to endure purgatory.
    Recently, in the confessional, in a comment made after the sacrament, so I can share it, a priest told me that, yes, God wants us to be free from all sin, even venial, and the tendencies towards sin. He confirms my work and the writings of the saints, as well as Christ’s own words.
    It is hard, very hard, but nothing is impossible with God, nothing.
    As to the Pope, bravo. I had this on my blog earlier as well and like the article’s author, see this act of the French as “provocation”. So sad that the Eldest Daughter of the Church has fallen so far away from both natural law teaching and Catholic teaching, based on natural law.

  • Suburbanbanshee says:

    10 April 2015 at 6:20 PM

    Sending an openly gay ambassador to the Vatican, unless he/she were also openly chaste, is an insult.
    France openly insulted the Vatican, the Vatican gently refused to take it, and now the Vatican is the bad guy. Typical.

  • Venerator Sti Lot says:

    10 April 2015 at 6:50 PM

    In the context if jacobi & Cody’s comments, is the assumption that Mr. Samuel does not distinguish between “gay” and “homosexual” and that in calling Mr. Stefanini ” Very discreet about his private life” he assumes or somehow knows of same-sex activity (and similarly with respect to the unnamed nominated “gay ambassador to the Vatican who had a partner recognised under French law”)?
    His article leaves me wondering why “a stony silence over whether it accepts his credentials” is simply equated with refusal and rejection, and what happens in practice: if there is no clear response after the “usual time frame”, ought a diplomatically-minded land courteously offer a different potential ambassador? What happened between 2007 and Mr.Joubert’s becoming ambassador in 2012?

  • CharlesG says:

    10 April 2015 at 7:09 PM

    In a more ideal world, this would be a teachable moment for the Vatican to stress that the issue with such an ambassador is not the condition of “being” a homosexuality, but the promotion of the evil “gay” ideology that is currently using the state and propagandizing society to attack the Church and her moral teachings, as we have just seen with the disgusting hysteria over Indiana.

  • Siculum says:

    10 April 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Digital fistpunch to Father Z for an excellent post. Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Francisco.

  • Gibbons in SF says:

    10 April 2015 at 8:32 PM

    You’re right, Jacobi. I’d add that the Church made a very big mistake when it stopped using the word sodomy. Today the word homosexuality means both 1) same-sex attraction, and 2) orgasm-producing behavior between persons of the same sex. It’s confusing, and, as we have seen, it is a confusion which has been exploited to the hilt by LGBT activists.
    In contrast, “sodomy” referred only to the acts, and “sodomite” referred to persons engaged in those acts–never to a person with the sinful desires who refuses to act on those desires.

  • iamlucky13 says:

    10 April 2015 at 10:08 PM

    I don’t see how the Vatican accomplishes anything by rejecting the nomination on the basis of his sexual orientation. Of course, with no statement one way or another, it’s not even clear that this really was the reason the nomination hasn’t been confirmed, although now that the suggestion has been made, the media will treat it as proven fact.
    Regardless, it does not seem to me that dealing with Mr. Stefanini on a purely professional basis to facilitate dialogue between the Vatican and France would be a cause of scandal, and would in fact, be a useful example of how the Church lives out “loving the sinner, hating the sin.”

  • Michael_Thoma says:

    11 April 2015 at 12:50 AM

    Allowing Mr Stefanini to be ambassador would set a terrible precedent and would not at all be a useful example. Well, not a useful example for the Vatican, it would be further exploited by the socialist government in France and Mr Stefanini. You see, once he’s confirmed, of course he’ll want his legal mate to tag along at all the usual functions, any uninvite would be ‘unmerciful’, ‘intolerant’, all-the-usual-tripe…

  • gramma10 says:

    11 April 2015 at 12:52 AM

    Sometimes we just know the “right” thing to do. Papa Francesco is clear in his decisions. Each situation is unique and general discussions do not apply to each individual circumstance or person.
    He knows what he is doing.
    I think we are getting waay over the top about worrying about everyone’s hurt feelings.
    I love all people. But back in the day—-people were people and we cared about each one.
    Now we tip toe around situations that should never be situations in the first place.
    Everyone has a chip on their shoulder, as they used to say.
    It is ridiculously complicated because of the whiners who want things their way.
    In my mind it is correct for the Pope to keep a good example visible for us.
    He is clear.
    Homosexuality is not a good Catholic example. So why place this person as an example in a prominent place?
    I think our Pope is right. He is not doing what Cardinal Dolan did on St. Pat’s day….being a nice guy people pleaser.
    We are God pleasers first.

  • jflare says:

    11 April 2015 at 5:13 AM

    Might there be someplace on YouTube or the wider internet where the rest of that chant might be heard and seen?

  • Muv says:

    11 April 2015 at 7:14 AM

    Il faut que les français aprennent que le Pape n’est pas Charlie.

  • Muv says:

    11 April 2015 at 7:21 AM

    … apprennent… oops.

  • Suburbanbanshee says:

    11 April 2015 at 7:23 AM

    A country’s ambassador represents that country, and particularly its integrity and trustworthiness. You are not supposed to send someone of known immoral habits, or someone who will have a difficult time doing the job because of mental problems, or someone who will tend to cause problems himself.
    Sending a homosexual ambassador to the Vatican is like sending a diabetic to be a taste tester at a candy company. It is dangerous to everyone and profoundly unkind to the one sent.

  • Tominellay says:

    11 April 2015 at 8:32 AM

    Prudence on the Pope’s part.

  • iPadre says:

    11 April 2015 at 9:58 AM

    I am blest to have a Courage group in my parish. These are some of the most holy people I know. They continue to inspire me. God allows all of us to have defects, whatever they may be, big or small (just list any sin of your sins), to keep us humble, and when we embrace the suffering they cause us give us the possibility of achieving great sanctity.

  • Joe in Canada says:

    11 April 2015 at 10:25 AM

    The article goes on to say that Mr Stefanini is reportedly widely respected by many in the Catholic Church, following his previous stint as number two in the French embassy at the Vatican…. Very discreet about his private life, he is “highly thought of in Roman circles,” from which two things seem evident. First, he is not really very discreet. Second, Vatican officials had no problem with him before. If the basic premise of this article is true, the Holy Father is, perhaps, being hanged out to dry by some of his employees.

  • Kathleen10 says:

    11 April 2015 at 10:32 AM

    I implore readers to go to the website of MassResistance, to see what the people on the front line in this battle say about why things went so sour in Indiana and then Arkansas, and why making appeals to religious freedom is not the answer. MassResistance is very experienced in dealing with radical homosexualists, and have seen the implications of all this for some time. This is their expertise. Scott Lively is another expert. They have all seen the screaming mobs and the spittle. They know it well.
    We need leadership, someone that God provides who will energize and mobilize many people into real action. If that happens, things will change for the better. Learning what works and what doesn’t is crucial.

  • Kathleen10 says:

    11 April 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Sorry, my post doesn’t exactly speak to Mr. Stefanani’s apparent rejection for the Vatican post, just the topic in general.
    I am glad that he was not elected, but that is as much as I can conclude.

  • Athelstan says:

    11 April 2015 at 11:11 AM

    gramma10,
    He knows what he is doing.
    With all due respect, if he really knew what he was doing, he would never have said “Who am I to judge?” – a phrase the Church will be forced to live down for generations to come. And that is, at least, the charitable interpretation.
    However it happened, however, this new development is a good one, and I am relieved to see the Holy Father drawing a firm line in the sand.

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